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Caffeine and Testosterone: Is Caffeine Bad For You?

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Caffeine and Testosterone: Is coffee bad for you and your health? Coffee, and the caffeine consumption from it, has become a contested topic in health circles over recent years. Some people say it’s unhealthy, some people say it’s healthy. So what does the research say about it, specifically with relation to hormonal health? Let’s take a look… I believe hormonal health is the key to longevity and vitality in life. It’s the high leverage way to optimize your health, since it requires viewing your body as a holistic system, not just a specialized area, like the heart, legs, veins, etc… which is the current pitfall of allopathic medicine. So with that in mind, let’s look at caffeine from the perspective of hormonal health. First off, caffeine has been linked to a dose dependent rise in cortisol, the body’s chief stress hormone. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18458357 So there is definitely a threshold, after which, coffee consumption starts to stimulate a stress response in the body, which is typically responsible for shutting down testosterone production and all manner of bodily focus on higher level function like sexual function… because when your body is in fight or flight mode, obviously the resources are better suited for survival than reproduction. But what about in the space BEFORE your body has a stress response from drinking too much coffee? Could there be some hormonal health benefits in these dosages? Yes, there are some very nice benefits, especially with relation to exercise. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16937961 For example, this study demonstrated that caffeine before a workout was able to increase anaerobic training capacity and muscular endurance siginificantly in the workout, and this study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17851681 Showed a significant increase in muscular strength on bench press and leg press from pre-workout caffeine consumption. So is this just a fluke? Or is it in fact great as a pre-workout stimulant? Well, this study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18799995 This study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16540848 This one https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22496767 This one https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18458357 And these two as well https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22349085 But all this good stuff isn’t all… Caffeine seems to stimulate an increase in testosterone production as well! Specifically because it increases natural cAMP production, as well as improves thyroid function and coffee is a potent antioxidant. So with all this in mind… Use caffeine intelligently as a tool in your tool box for optimizing your hormonal health, specifically if you use it before you hit a hard gym session. Just don’t go too crazy and drink so much coffee that you have a stress response and big spike in cortisol. Also if you're interested, you can download the exclusive 30 man foods grocery list here to know what the top 30 foods are to boost your testosterone naturally: truthnutra.com/foods Follow Me On Social Media: Website: https://truthnutra.com/yt Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/truthnutra/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/truthnutra/ Personal Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_christopherwalker/ Truth Nutra Products: Shop For Supplements - https://truthnutra.com/supplements Shop For Books - https://truthnutra.com/books Shop For Apparel - https://truthnutra.com/apparel Use code "YOUTUBE" For 10% Off! Find Out If You Have Estrogen Dominance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCBD39qf528
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andy haros (4 дня назад)
I think the right amount and balance of caffeine is okay and even right! Depending on your lifestyle and stress impacted on the individual everyday determines the healthy mark amount or none! 😁
Jason Shields (11 дней назад)
I've read all of your cited studies and you basically cherry-picked from the data as usual. None of these studies involved regular people but athletes. The so-called testosterone increase from caffeine? None! Your testosterone naturally increases during a workout whether or not you ingest caffeine. You also said that you are a big proponent of hormone health? Sleep is the best hormone producer and regulator. Caffeine interferes with sleep dude! Even if you have one cup in the morning, with its half-life, you still have it in your system when you go to bed. Don't be afraid to piss off the caffeine consumers who are fat, sick and tired with jacked-up skin just so that you can warrant and give them permission for their bad addictions.
Alibaba Jackson (13 дней назад)
simple conclusion: drink coffee only pre workout
Ezekiel Rodriguez (16 дней назад)
There are over 13 Benefits stemming from caffeine ingestion; see the below website: www.healthline.com/nutrition/top-13-evidence-based-health-benefits-of-coffee However, caffeine will be bad for anyone who may experience an allergic reaction to it! The allergic reaction stems from overreactive adrenals do caffeine stimulation! I'm in my Seventies and have been drinking coffee for decades. It has not affected my adrenal activity nor my sleep pattern!
Max Efoshkin (17 дней назад)
Poor video. Cause it is causing cartisol levels sky rocket and noone knows when, and there are better foods to boost T. Don't advertise that stuff.
Christopher Walker (16 дней назад)
It only boosts cortisol if you go over a certain threshold, don't abuse it and you will be fine
Divine Intervention (25 дней назад)
I only drink coffe beffore workout. So it is only twice a week or sometimes three times a week. I'm more a tea person but mostly I just drinking warm water.
Christopher Walker (25 дней назад)
Yea, I would make sure to be very aware of what tea you consume, check my video out on it as to why
Richard Woolley (1 месяц назад)
Always interested in who paid for any particular study?????
Double D (1 месяц назад)
Great job with the edit - very useful info too!
Casey Burnet (1 месяц назад)
Oh sure, muscle building and caffeine.... Makes perfect.... sense....totally... worth drinking.
Jasmin Music (2 месяца назад)
Is simple...too much coffe raise cortisol,cortisol up testosteron down
Nasar Khan (2 месяца назад)
Great vid Christopher and I take guarana is that ok?
rolla (2 месяца назад)
How about milk? I drink a litre milk every night, is it healty or cause fat?
꧁Mike Sully꧂ (2 месяца назад)
cause i am bald now, i've got no hair onnnn my head if i was a bald man , baldy baldy baldy bald
Bazza D (2 месяца назад)
Your information is GOLD Chris, thanks.
Greg Payne (2 месяца назад)
Great prework out = semen preservation nofap= more T and faster recovery :)
CheetoChop1 (2 месяца назад)
What about the 50% decrease in cerebral blood flow?
Peter P. (2 месяца назад)
just reading the study 800mg is insane ,that's like 10 redbull for preworkout
Cliff McGowen (3 месяца назад)
what about aceteldyhide level / production from coffee? Are they at significant levels to out weight the good benefits? Looking for a more clear answer there.
UCzDwella201 (3 месяца назад)
I drink xyience as a post workout. 0 calories 160mg sodium 15mg potassium total carbs 2g 0g sugar. Niacin 100% vitamin b6 250% b12 80% pantothenic acid 500% 88mg / 8oz mind you serving size 8 fl oz serving per container 2. I think it’s a great quick supplement
Tyler Murphy (3 месяца назад)
It is a good idea to add a little Himalayan pink salt or sea salt to your coffee / as the coffee Brews, this will alkalize your coffee and if you use Himalayan pink salt it also has over 80 trace minerals which is great because coffee can Leach certain minerals from the body. Also make sure to have a little something in your stomach before drinking your morning coffee as coffee on an empty stomach can be damaging. In my opinion if you are using a method to brew your coffee that superheated water flows through plastic I would recommend switching to another machine / method as once plastic is superheated it releases numerous chemicals that are very bad for humans in general and also mess with hormone levels. : )Tyler
Ayman Lockhart (3 месяца назад)
I drink one cup of black coffee before the gym only!
Randy ThirdSun (3 месяца назад)
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WATCH HIS VIDEOS AND HE NEVER SEEMS TO GET TO THE POINT.... I CAN'T WATCH THIS DOUBLE TALK
alpacapocalypse (3 месяца назад)
Interesting video, but think it could've been a lot more thorough. Coffee is very highly acidic and can lead to tooth decay, gastrointestinal problems, ulcers, and even cancer, which may negate any benefits it has as far as antioxidants. Caffeine also very quickly dehydrates the body which isn't good if you work out a lot. Of course caffeine helps people exercise, because it gives you more energy, but beyond temporarily giving you the ABILITY to work harder it doesn't do much. You might as well eat a ton of sugar and then say sugar is good for working out.
Athanasius Philopatoris Maximus Antonios (3 месяца назад)
i never been to a doctor before im thankful for that, but in general i cant empty my bowel without a one cup of black italian coffee every morning ,
Maximus25N (4 месяца назад)
I have definitely been a caffeine addict for the best part of ten years. I go cold turkey give it up, then always end up going back to it. The way I am with caffeine is not healthy. I find it IMPOSSIBLE to just have 1 or 2 coffee's a day. I love pre workout before i go to the gym, and I tried desperately to only have pre workout caffeine once a day without any other consumption of caffeine, and it didn't work. I would get to work in the morning and be like a zombie, and I would sit there thinking about when i would get to have my pre workout. In the end I just went back to drinking coffee all day long. It can't be healthy to be so addicted to something, or put that much of it in your body. How on Earth do people manage to just have 2 a day? It's torture, the entire time all you think about is when you get to have your coffee. I do anyway. As you can tell i'm a total addict, I quit (yet again) 5 days ago and all i'm doing is thinking about coffee now, and trying to find reasons for it to be unhealthy.
Damon Thomas (4 месяца назад)
but where is the threshold between beneficial levels of caffeine and harmful ones? is it really as simple as noticing the point at which one becomes jittery? as a person becomes acclimated to higher levels of caffeine, the dosage required to become jittery rise, do the levels that constitute a healthy dose rise too?
Enlightenment Webindustries (4 месяца назад)
Thumbs up! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Jake Carter (4 месяца назад)
Amazing video bro.
Dreamscape (4 месяца назад)
Some doctors says its bad for your energy in long term and raises cortisol. Some says that 1 cup a day will benefit your health . I'm confused . If raises Cortisol then how raises testosterone as a pre-workout? Explain that.
englishcoach777 (4 месяца назад)
Thank you this was worth it.
englishcoach777 (4 месяца назад)
I liked this
Chris G (4 месяца назад)
Woah first of all we need doctors to specialize in one thing because its safer. If I am getting a new heart valve, I want a DR that specializes in it. I know what you mean by looking at the whole picture but you still get better results if you have people who dedicate their lives to 1 part of the body.
gjtt (4 месяца назад)
Caffeine is definitely an ergogenic aid. There's a reason most pre-workouts and energy drinks come with caffeine. Use in moderation/moderate doses and you can control your tolerances.
Gustavo Mendez (4 месяца назад)
I was a coffee drinker and since I quitted my health improve a lot, coffee may help you to workout but in the downside is bad for you pancreas, prostate and your nerve system.
John Snow (4 месяца назад)
What is the best or least harmful milk substitute for coffee?
red pill (4 месяца назад)
John Snow nut milk I heard of
Zion Rion (4 месяца назад)
Thanks so much for this video amigo
Bruno Oka (4 месяца назад)
I think its important to highlight the fact that, If we take too much caffeine, It can bring us the opposite effect: excessive cortisol levels = low testosterone levels Good info, man!
Paul Dan (4 месяца назад)
There's no "moderate consumption" of an adictive substance. Sooner or later you'll need more to feel the same effect. Everyone should stay away of that stuff. "Studies" payed by coffee producers.
Timothy O'Brien (5 месяцев назад)
What about pre-workout drinks like NO Explode. I'm 60 and work out a few hours before bed. I take the drink, work out, go home and within an hour, I'm asleep.
E. Kelbell (5 месяцев назад)
I wish you had a book I could buy that had all your amazing info all together in one spot. A book teaching how to change your husband's diet and lifestyle from estrogen dominant to testosterone dominant.
James Lee (5 месяцев назад)
Freaking Caffeine ROCKS!!!
Devanarayanan v.v (5 месяцев назад)
HI sir, It's very helpful.
Call Me Swivel Hips (5 месяцев назад)
You are attractive. Also, I've read that caffeine interacts with your fat metabolism. As someone that follows a ketogenic diet, I'm very interested in this idea. What do you know of that? Do you think it [caffeine] interacts with your adipose tissue? And in different ways depending on whether you consume it above or below that stress throshold you mention?
greveeen (5 месяцев назад)
You literally are doing humanity a good service, thank you im glad I found your channel
Fguramafia (5 месяцев назад)
I dont think that the coffee we drink has some antioxidants.
Daniel (5 месяцев назад)
As a medical student graduating in a few weeks I would have to agree. Allopathic medicine is very disjointed in its ability to promote true health. Rather than promoting your own body's potential for optimized health, we focus on diagnosing and managing disease *x* with tool *y* or medicine *z*
Nexus Knight (5 месяцев назад)
But I understand that caffeine cancels out creatine and nitric oxide
Moh'ed Harrian (5 месяцев назад)
Coffee is not good at health iam sure 100%
Michael Myers (5 месяцев назад)
I can only have between 50-100 mg otherwise o get too stressed out. I'm dealing with some adrenal issues now
bodyworks20102014 (5 месяцев назад)
The original form of the name for coffee actually meant strength Giver
Easa Ibrahim (5 месяцев назад)
don't worry I've already given a thumbs up , while the page is loading. hehehe.... Coz i trust ur work.
Alfa Jor (5 месяцев назад)
http://time.com/5033881/health-benefits-of-drinking-coffee/
heart of an old shoe (5 месяцев назад)
He reminds me of Casey Affleck
Andris Morozovs (5 месяцев назад)
CAFFEINE is BAD for TESTOSTERONE! - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27665862
Alexander Webb (6 месяцев назад)
I use a French press, and typically drink the whole thing because I like the amount of hot liquid in the morning to help me take a shit. I'm probably going to use less coffee grounds to reduce how much caffeine is in each cup, knowing that it can raise cortisol. The one problem that I have with coffee is that I like to use refined sugar in it,
johnny102marvin (6 месяцев назад)
Did the Big Coffee Companies finance those pro-coffee studies you pointed out?
secret myth (6 месяцев назад)
Thanks for sharing your knowledge
Revtune (6 месяцев назад)
Probably just a good idea to avoid it, since everyone is different. I know I'm addicted to it, and have been working very hard to break that addiction, like most every American. Because one is never enough. Caffeine also works less and less as you regularly consume it, so to receive continued benefits you must use more and more... which leads to addiction. So, I think the wisest recommendation would be to just straight up avoid it.
Raz da man (6 месяцев назад)
I love your approach man! - a fresh faithful fan.
Temperate or Tropical (6 месяцев назад)
Add organic Sri Lankan cinnamon powder or stick to coffee. Note that what's sold as Indonesian cinnamon is botanically cassia; same taste & aroma, but very different effect on insulin.
Beau Carpenter (6 месяцев назад)
Coffee is a diuretic.
jon hamm (6 месяцев назад)
LOOOVE coffee ice cream- gonna eat twice as much now
arash afsari (6 месяцев назад)
Coffee is definitely not good
Davon Johnson (7 месяцев назад)
Hey Christopher! How often would you recommend drinking coffee or having a caffeinated drink?
M CaliSMIZZics (7 месяцев назад)
Healthy or unhealthy..... it’s a necessity
Jersey Paul (7 месяцев назад)
I quit a 2 pack a day smoking habit 7 weeks ago and I have noticed that coffee feels so much stronger to me since I quit. Now it's time to cut down on coffee. It's all good as long as I am not smoking and am still working out, things should be alright. I hope!
K1 Fighter 1988 (9 месяцев назад)
i was drinking coffe right now, but my question is not about coffe my question is why cant i get erection and my sperm is clear and soft and not thick and white like it use to be when i had strong erections, cant it be because of belly fat and body fat,.
David Steele (9 месяцев назад)
Very informative thanks so much!
Sinasi08 (9 месяцев назад)
I heard that coffee decreases the natural production of HGH and increases the conversion of testosterone to estradiol. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/testosterone-defciency-men-over-ages-25-30-its-high-hertoghe-md (Dr. Thierry Hertoghe is one the best anti-aging doctor, the wrote several books about hormones, he trains doctors around the world to hormone therapies and is the president of the international hormone society and the World society of anti-aging medicine).
Christopher Cirocco (9 месяцев назад)
💪🏽🙏🏽☕️
David Coomber (9 месяцев назад)
Interesting
Sandra levi (10 месяцев назад)
WRONG, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR ADRENAL GLANDS!! IT'S NOT GOOD FOR YOU AT ALL!!!
G SPIKE (11 дней назад)
+Mike Hunt https://youtu.be/-fkv1Dkh-Ls
Mike Hunt (11 дней назад)
G SPIKE you’re not supposed to do it every day, the effects on a single cup of coffee or 2 are negligible, although I do it everyday anyways
G SPIKE (11 дней назад)
+Mike Hunt raised cortisol eats away at muscle glyconeogennis
Mike Hunt (11 дней назад)
G SPIKE caffeine also temporarily increases max reps and muscle strength
G SPIKE (2 месяца назад)
Tyler Murphy coffee is sit Raises corisol
JB Rattler (10 месяцев назад)
How long does the caffeine remain in the digestive system possibly affecting sleep?
The Lone Wolf (11 месяцев назад)
Throw some raw cacao in it and supercharge it. Works great
Todd Krough (11 месяцев назад)
is testosterone cipianate any good?
Саво Голубовић (11 месяцев назад)
testsosterone is inversely correlated with longevity if i am not mistaken.
Christopher Walker (11 месяцев назад)
You are mistaken
Mohan7 (11 месяцев назад)
I have to disagree with you on this one though. Coffee is addictive . It drains adrenaline. It can cause vein damage due to increase in BP. It causes insulin spike and therefore crash. If you need to drink then drink regular tea made with skim milk. Boil it. It will give just enough amount of caffeine to get you going. My experience is that coffee screw up ones sex drive and performance over a period of time. Tea is a safer option. Green tea no way, since it directly lowers Testosterone!!!!
Mohan7 (11 месяцев назад)
I totally agree with what you said about doctors. Part of the problem is that because they are licensed they have to follow the protocol given to them by their license granting body. If they say or do anything outside of this invisible but inevitably present control line, then their license and practice is under jeopardy. There are lot of good doctors out there who learned it the hard way. Dr. Deepak Chopra was lucky to find his way through these woods, into success may be because of his late father's karma of selfless service as a physician. Not everyone is lucky though. Big pharmas are watching !!!
Bourne Accident (11 месяцев назад)
Thank God coffee is good... I already had to give up flax seeds because of this guy and I really didn't want to 86 the morning coffee too.
Mohan7 (11 месяцев назад)
Bourne Accident flax seeds are estrogenic. Trust me on that. I learned the hard way. You little johnny can shrink to oblivion if you overdose on it !!
Particle Config. (1 год назад)
Thank you, because this video lets me try coffee before my morning exercise, let's test it. I always put L-theanine with my coffee (when it's less hot), the jitteriness completely goes away and you surely experience the onset of those alpha-brain waves!
Knight Solaire (1 год назад)
Golden era bodybuilders have used coffee as a pre-workout even back then.
kickinbackinOC (1 год назад)
Seems very brief. Would have liked more information. But I'm just lazy, and expect others to make videos that I just comment on....
Valhalla14 (1 год назад)
How do you feel about "Bulletproof Coffee"?
Mike Hunt (11 дней назад)
I brew my normal coffee and then add kerrygold butter when it’s finished, HOLY SHIT I haven’t felt so much energy and motivation ever since
robert hingston (2 месяца назад)
Joshua Schadenfreude thanks
Joshua Schadenfreude (2 месяца назад)
robert hingston it’s coffee with grass fed butter and MCT oil (coconut oil)
robert hingston (2 месяца назад)
Valhalla14 never heard of it what is it
red pill (4 месяца назад)
Valhalla14 hmmm buttery coffee WOOOO
riya rathi (1 год назад)
can anybody tell me ,, are u talking about black coffee with sugar, or milk coffee ,,??? tell me which one to take for pre without
Terrum Cognitorum (1 год назад)
Information is interesting, however it is necessary to remember that there is global corporation, lots of coffee-interested people, especially the rich ones. Also, there is data about caffeine addiction. As for me it's like use amphetamine or some other drug. "Below threshold" amphetamine is also good, but no one uses it, right? It is said to the fact that often those who have money pay for the music, which we listen or due to our authority dependence glad to listen.
Logan Dowell (1 год назад)
Green tea is healthier then coffee and it's much easier to stay under that stress threshold because of the lower caffeine content.
Mike Hunt (11 дней назад)
mick so is your water supply bud
mick (5 месяцев назад)
bruinsfirst loaded with fluoride.
Mr. Santi Numi (1 год назад)
cAMP increases PKA and PKA stimulates glycogenolysis in muscular system and liver to produce glucose and we know all about it... however in leydig cells PKA increases testosterone. Yes, caffeine can work, if you can send it directly to your testicles!
Scotland1908 (1 год назад)
Gross aroma.... horribly unbearable taste.... and that's not the main reason I avoid coffee. coffee provides FALSE ENERGY by stealing from your central nervous system.... The caffeine in GREEN TEA has the opposite affect, calming the CSN....ADRENAL FATIGUE is inevitable for coffee drinkers........ There is something amazing out there that will provide massive energy for workouts...... it's known as.... Carbohydrates.
itsjustmyopinion (1 месяц назад)
That sounded like one of the most homeopathic things I've ever heard. It "steals" energy from your CNS? What? Like what does that even mean. Every cell produces it's own energy using mitochondria. So you are saying coffee molecules steals ATP from neurones of the CNS. Do you have any evidence of your claim or are you just spewing any old rubbish in the hope that it will somehow add some validity to your self-concocted beliefs
Nathaniel Martinez (4 месяца назад)
Scotland1908 wait...what? Are you sure you're talking about coffee?? "The greatest party of waking up is coffee in your cup." It sneaks so good that many Fragrance designers are putting that scent in their fragrances.
FX101 (1 год назад)
good stuff.....subscribed in a heartbeat
Krime (1 год назад)
i actually did see super strength in the gym when taking pre workout caffeine. It made me go from 20 kg to 30 kg easily doing up to 10 reps on my own. whereas before with 30 kg i did 5. So much benefit.
Rugby Hunk (1 год назад)
I believe loose green tea and raw cocoa are much better than coffee for caffeine resources and high quality anti oxidants. Raw cocoa also increases seratonin in the brain and has high magnesium.
T (1 год назад)
Great vid. But wasn't there a paper citing increase estrogen with increase consumption of coffee? American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. It says that Estrodiol increased in all races except Caucasian women. The study was done on women but do you any that was done specifically for men?
Ash Khan (1 год назад)
the positives outweigh the negative which is basically cortisol rise also antioxidant benefits are amazing for health.
komarevo (1 год назад)
Don't agree with you Christopher! Since I quit coffee my sex drive and performance greatly improved, and I didn't drink a lot. I lost fat and replaced it with muscles. Coffee disturbs enzyme secretion resulting in poor digestion and energy replacement, also - prevents you from experiencing deep sexual emotions! It might excite you into sexual desire but the rest is far from adequate. Coffee is a huge business and I wonder if you have any benefits from it.
Pooru Haitto (5 месяцев назад)
Hmmm I had similar theories, thank u for ur comment
rover0101 (1 год назад)
Great vid, great advice. Thank you, Chris. Subbed and liked. Keep up the good work, man.
Peter Page (1 год назад)
I use to grind my teeth in my sleep. then I stop drinking coffee. my teeth grinding went away. plus I put on more muscle mass.
Expatriate Chronicles (1 год назад)
That is interesting, Never heard about this link between test and caffeine.
Mike Anthony (1 год назад)
What above caffeine and estrogen? My understanding is that the enzyme that metabolizes caffeine also is needed to metabolize caffeine. So too much caffeine can tie up this enzyme causing a slow down your ability to eliminate estrogen. This, causing E levels to rise
Munawar Hayat (1 год назад)
Chris, are you actually reading some of these studies? Instead of just reading the abstract on pubmed I advise that you should actually read all the articles that you're quoting. Some studies are very poor, have biases, cannot be replicated etc. You should know that before using them to support your stance. I've purchased your products in the past and will probably continue doing so but if you want to become serious contender in the market this is one thing you need to improve on. Taking screen shots of pubmed articles isn't enough. You should me able to say this study had "significant results" etc. I'm an allopathic physician and I think looking at individuals holistically is the correct approach.
Jimmy Fortenberry (1 год назад)
Munawar Hayat so what is your stance on coffee
OfftoShambala (1 год назад)
coffee is highly acidic and prevents iron absorption ... there are scientific studies... and the real biggest problem with allopathic medicine is the practitioners conditioned allegiance to pharmaceutical products and an almost complete dismissal of any solution outside of a pill created by merck or similar extreme conglomeration... the only kind of private organization that can literally stay in business after openly killing and injuring people with their "SCIENCE BACKED MEDICINE" products that are often taken off the market after a few too many people suffer or die... pseudo science backed fraud is the biggest problem

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